PAK Champions Trophy 2025: Dilemmas for Pakistan as they look to defend their Crown

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With the CT emerging next early next year, Pakistan has a chance to defend their crown and win their first major trophy in 8 years. It won't be an easy path though and after a dismal WC2023 and T20 WC24, morale among fans is at an all time low. However, Pakistan has the advantage of playing on home soil and with a settled top order and solid pace attack, Pakistan should fancy their chances. There are still some dilemmas to solve if they are going to win this tournament and they must learn from WC23.

Fixtures

November - 3 ODIs vs Australia and 3 ODIs vs Zimbabwe

December - 3 ODIs vs South Africa

February - Tri-Series with South Africa and New Zealand

Who will captain the Team?

The first dilemma is who will captain the team. Will Babar retain captaincy after a dismal T20WC and his failure in WC23? It will be imperative to appoint a captain who has a track record of captaining and who has actually won trophies. Rizwan should be given captaincy in an ideal situation. It is imperative to have strong leadership and Babar should be moved aside. At the very least, Gary Kirsten should be given more authority to do as he pleases.

Middle order Dilemma

Whilst Rizwan will play at number 4, who will play at 5 and 6? Saud Shakeel may get further opportunities after a couple of promising innings during the WC. Agha Salman is another candidate with some decent outings in PSL and good batting in Test matches. The number 6 position is a tough one to solve since Iftikhar Ahmed has not performed as expected and recently had a disappointing T20WC. Mohammad Haris has all of the talent and shots available but he lacks the consistency to construct an innings of substance. The quickfire cameos might have more value in T20 cricket. The 'Finisher' position has been a problem for years and must be solved.

Shadab Khan's decline upsets the balance of the team

The decline of Shadab Khan has been a major problem for Pakistan considering he can provide in all 3 facets with his terrific fielding skills. Pakistan looked like a shadow of the team it once was with awful spin stocks in India and they were thrashed instead of being a threat. There is no control whilst bowling and this stems from a lack of FC cricket played. Pakistan will miss the cameos that Shadab plays but his bowling has been awful for a while so there is a need to find a replacement. Abrar Ahmed will be at the front of this list and Pakistan should be looking at other allround options like Arafat Minhas or even looking at pace bowling allrounders like Aamer Jamal to fill in the void.

Possible Team

1) Abdullah Shafique
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Babar Azam
4) Mohammad Rizwan (WK) (C)
5) Saud Shakeel/Agha Salman
6) Mohammad Haris/Agha Salman
7) Aamer Jamal/Spin bowling AR
8) Mohammad Wasim
9) Shaheen Afridi
10) Naseem Shah
11) Abrar Ahmed

Thoughts on Pakistan's CT Trophy prospects?
 
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Doesn't feel a lot like "defending the trophy" - the team that won over a half a decade ago is completely different to this one. Don't have many high hopes.
 
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Excellent thread @Augustus

The captaincy conundrum is still a big problem, in an ideal world Rizwan should be made captain now so he has a few series to gel his tactics into action.

Selection wise, the middle/lower order is a big concern. Agha Salman should be selected since he’s a fine batsman plus he bowls some handy spin.

The likes of Aamir Jamal/M Haris will need to prove their worth in the upcoming series’ to stake a claim for selection. I hope they perform well.
 
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Doesn't feel a lot like "defending the trophy" - the team that won over a half a decade ago is completely different to this one. Don't have many high hopes.
The team is different but they have a chance to use home conditions to their advantage. For example, Babar has a big chance to score a lot of runs on conditions he is used to. Additionally, the shorter duration might suit the team better if they find form. The team definitely has weak points which they will have to overcome.
 
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Excellent thread @Augustus

The captaincy conundrum is still a big problem, in an ideal world Rizwan should be made captain now so he has a few series to gel his tactics into action.

Selection wise, the middle/lower order is a big concern. Agha Salman should be selected since he’s a fine batsman plus he bowls some handy spin.

The likes of Aamir Jamal/M Haris will need to prove their worth in the upcoming series’ to stake a claim for selection. I hope they perform well.
I don’t they will change captaincy which will be a big mistake. We have enough observations to conclude Babar is an incompetent captain. They need to do the right thing if we are going to have a chance of winning.
 
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The team is different but they have a chance to use home conditions to their advantage. For example, Babar has a big chance to score a lot of runs on conditions he is used to. Additionally, the shorter duration might suit the team better if they find form. The team definitely has weak points which they will have to overcome.

That is a very good point. Unlike most other situations in the past, friendlier batting conditions might be what Pak needs this time around...
 
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I think some changes will be made before Champions Trophy and if they don't manage to perform well enough in that tournament, which they won't be imo, then young players will get chances imo... Fakhar Zaman ,Imamulhaq, Abdullah Shafique, Babar Azam and Sahabzada Farhan and Usman Khan are top candidates as batsmen...
 
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I have not followed cricket too much off late, just saw Australia test series and t20 world cup, which was over for us in space of 3 games I guess... I didn't get to watch the World Cup even as I was busy in professional and political activities for last couple of years I guess so I am making selections based on half knowledge of what has transpired since england, new zealand and sri lanka series...
 
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In my limited knowledge due to factors mentioned above, following is the lineup I will go with:

  1. Sahabzada Farhan
  2. Fakhar Zaman
  3. Imamulhaq
  4. Shadab Khan Captain
  5. Faheem Ashraf
  6. Salman Ali Agha
  7. Azam Khan
  8. M. Harris Vice Captain
  9. M. Amir
  10. Shahnawaz Dahani
  11. Harris Rauf
Reserves : Babar Azam, Iftikhar Ahmed, Abrar Ahmed, Hasnain, Hammad Azam, Ammar Wkt keeper...
 
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In my limited knowledge due to factors mentioned above, following is the lineup I will go with:

  1. Sahabzada Farhan
  2. Fakhar Zaman
  3. Imamulhaq
  4. Shadab Khan Captain
  5. Faheem Ashraf
  6. Salman Ali Agha
  7. Azam Khan
  8. M. Harris Vice Captain
  9. M. Amir
  10. Shahnawaz Dahani
  11. Harris Rauf
Reserves : Babar Azam, Iftikhar Ahmed, Abrar Ahmed, Hasnain, Hammad Azam, Ammar Wkt keeper...
No Misbah?
 
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He said he watched the recent t20 world cup and still named Shadab as his captain and is also having Azam Khan and Rauf in there. Babar is in reserves and Rizwan is replaced by some random Ammar in the squad

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Rizwan and Sarfraz and our top 3 pacers - Shaheen, Hamza and Naseem should focus on test cricket imo.. Rizwan should be made Vice Captain in test cricket... As regards your other discussion, Amir has a knack of being successful everytime he plays. When he made his debut, he was part of t20 world cup 2009 team that won. Similarly, he made a comeback and played his role in winning Champions Trophy. I think he could finish with ODI World Cup success this time, Harris Rauf has been included cus he has raw pace like Shoaib Akhtar in past, his pace needs to be channelized in right direction... I think Shoaib Akhtar should be made to work on him...
 
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He said he watched the recent t20 world cup and still named Shadab as his captain and is also having Azam Khan and Rauf in there. Babar is in reserves and Rizwan is replaced by some random Ammar in the squad

:ohbhai
Azam Khan and Harris are in playing 11 as well and they keep wickets too... You will have to give some opportunities to young players to develop imo...
 
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He said he watched the recent t20 world cup and still named Shadab as his captain and is also having Azam Khan and Rauf in there. Babar is in reserves and Rizwan is replaced by some random Ammar in the squad

:ohbhai
Shadab 's performance has not been upto the mark off late I agree but somebody got to work on his bowling imo, somebody like Saqlain Mushtaq imo... His batting form was great in PSL...
 
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My eyes are on the next world cup and I would want selection committee viz Yousuf Bhai and Asad Shafique to prepare a squad for next world cup.... They have to create a pool of players and this over reliance on 3-4 players needs to be stopped imo...
 
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Shadab 's performance has not been upto the mark off late I agree but somebody got to work on his bowling imo, somebody like Saqlain Mushtaq imo... His batting form was great in PSL...

I think the events of 2024 have almost universally confirmed that PSL performances and statistics are not an accurate determinant of international performance, especially in formats other than T20I.

All Shadab has shown is a decline in both batting and bowling form, particularly in the 50-over game.

If anything, spinners like Usama Mir should be developed as he has outperformed Shadab in the previous WC and - if you want to use domestic cricket as a comparison measure - in domestic cricket.
 
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Rizwan and Sarfraz and our top 3 pacers - Shaheen, Hamza and Naseem should focus on test cricket imo.. Rizwan should be made Vice Captain in test cricket... As regards your other discussion, Amir has a knack of being successful everytime he plays. When he made his debut, he was part of t20 world cup 2009 team that won. Similarly, he made a comeback and played his role in winning Champions Trophy. I think he could finish with ODI World Cup success this time, Harris Rauf has been included cus he has raw pace like Shoaib Akhtar in past, his pace needs to be channelized in right direction... I think Shoaib Akhtar should be made to work on him...
Agreed that players should focus on Test cricket but if you isolate Shaheen and Naseem purely to red-ball cricket then that sucks the life and soul out of our bowling attack. Who are we going to go into the CT or the next WC with? Rauf, Mohammed Wasim, etc. can all play a supporting role but will struggle to spear-head the attack, take the new ball, etc.

Yes, Amir has a knack for being successful every time he plays - until that knack goes away and he's giving away lollipop free hits to a software engineer from Texas. Yes, he was great in his prime, yes he got Kohli out in the CT17 final, yes he performs in leagues all over the world but at some point you gotta realise it's time to move on. You mentioned grooming youngsters in your other post but now mention keeping Amir for yet another WC cycle. It's time to draw the curtains on that one.

The less said about Shoaib Akhtar coaching Rauf, the better.
 
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I think the events of 2024 have almost universally confirmed that PSL performances and statistics are not an accurate determinant of international performance, especially in formats other than T20I.

All Shadab has shown is a decline in both batting and bowling form, particularly in the 50-over game.

If anything, spinners like Usama Mir should be developed as he has outperformed Shadab in the previous WC and - if you want to use domestic cricket as a comparison measure - in domestic cricket.
You need to search for a legspin all-rounder in this case as a like for like replacement. Balance of team is effected when you play a specialist spinner like Abrar/ Sajid or Usama Mir in limited overs cricket.... Shadab 's bowling has declined but his batting has improved by leaps and bounds just like Steve Smith or Shoaib Malik...
 
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Agreed that players should focus on Test cricket but if you isolate Shaheen and Naseem purely to red-ball cricket then that sucks the life and soul out of our bowling attack. Who are we going to go into the CT or the next WC with? Rauf, Mohammed Wasim, etc. can all play a supporting role but will struggle to spear-head the attack, take the new ball, etc.

Yes, Amir has a knack for being successful every time he plays - until that knack goes away and he's giving away lollipop free hits to a software engineer from Texas. Yes, he was great in his prime, yes he got Kohli out in the CT17 final, yes he performs in leagues all over the world but at some point you gotta realise it's time to move on. You mentioned grooming youngsters in your other post but now mention keeping Amir for yet another WC cycle. It's time to draw the curtains on that one.

The less said about Shoaib Akhtar coaching Rauf, the better.
Amir ka case different hai. You need couple of senior players like him to guide young players... You can't field completely young team... He can play till next world cup imo... As regards Harris Rauf, if he is not performing, try Ihsanullah... He is injured right now but he would be back imo... You have someone like Zaman Khan in back up too... I have already picked Shahnawaz Dahani in playing 11 and Hasnain in squad... Shaheen, Naseem and Hamza, if they will play all 3 formats, very soon they will pick up injuries...
 
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You need to search for a legspin all-rounder in this case as a like for like replacement. Balance of team is effected when you play a specialist spinner like Abrar/ Sajid or Usama Mir in limited overs cricket.... Shadab 's bowling has declined but his batting has improved by leaps and bounds just like Steve Smith or Shoaib Malik...

I see your point and it is definitely valid. I still feel there is merit in finding and developing genuine spinners even for T20 and then having 5-6 genuine batsman who you can rely on for an entire innings. For too long I feel Pakistan has fallen into the trap of fielding teams full of jack of all trades but masters in none.
 
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Amir ka case different hai. You need couple of senior players like him to guide young players... You can't field completely young team... He can play till next world cup imo... As regards Harris Rauf, if he is not performing, try Ihsanullah... He is injured right now but he would be back imo... You have someone like Zaman Khan in back up too... I have already picked Shahnawaz Dahani in playing 11 and Hasnain in squad... Shaheen, Naseem and Hamza, if they will play all 3 formats, very soon they will pick up injuries...

Tbh, I don't think he is the right person to be guiding youngsters. Ignoring the whole spot-fixing dilemma, his general attitude with retiring from the Test team (yes, he wasn't treated fairly either, but his personal behaviour wasn't exemplary) and then coming back in for glory hunting in the T20WC is probably not the best precedent to be setting for juniors.
 
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Azam Khan samajh nahi araha to develop somebody else... I preferred Azam cus he is a good striker of the ball...

True true. I'll be honest, my knowledge of the domestic circuit and up and coming talent is very limited compared to some of the others here so I can't name someone who I think should be picked instead. As long as they have the basics of modern T20 batting and are fit to bat long innings, field well, etc.
 
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Tbh, I don't think he is the right person to be guiding youngsters. Ignoring the whole spot-fixing dilemma, his general attitude with retiring from the Test team (yes, he wasn't treated fairly either, but his personal behaviour wasn't exemplary) and then coming back in for glory hunting in the T20WC is probably not the best precedent to be setting for juniors.
He may not be right person for moral guidance but he has cricket experience, he can help them overcome pressure and in performance..
 
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I see your point and it is definitely valid. I still feel there is merit in finding and developing genuine spinners even for T20 and then having 5-6 genuine batsman who you can rely on for an entire innings. For too long I feel Pakistan has fallen into the trap of fielding teams full of jack of all trades but masters in none.
Test cricket mein particularly you need specialists whereas limited overs cricket requires allrounders as well as specialists... Allrounders render balance to playing 11 imo...
 
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Test cricket mein particularly you need specialists whereas limited overs cricket requires allrounders as well as specialists... Allrounders render balance to playing 11 imo...

Agreed, but I feel there's a tipping point where you have too many all rounders and not enough proper players. Pakistan has exceeded that tipping point quite frequently in the past with players like Nawaz, an out-of-form Shadab, Hussain Talat, Faheem Ashraf, and that unbalances the playing 11. Still, I see the merit of your argument where there is generally more room for all rounders in T20 than test.
 

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